Normal Game Thread Big Trouble in Little Salem

You don't see how I have poked holes in what CF has said?

No, its actually common sense.

Actually it would make perfect sense. The only thing that DOESN'T make sense is that there was 3 kills last phase and you didn't use your ability. Unless there is another killing role, there is something fishy going on. That would require like 3 killing roles besides Scum and that is crazy to think about considering we didn't have a kill by Scum D1.

I didn't target anyone because it was D3.

 

Sounds like a lot of WIFOM. Why do this, why do that. The more crazy something is the more likely we as town swallow it. Well surely something like that didn't happen? But there's no reason for it to not happen. There's no reason to not do something. The fact that you have to use such an argument says a lot. WIFOM this OMGUS that.

At the end of the day my verdict on you is 100%, you are scum, you are Rot's killer. I can debate the WIFOM's all day (or night as it's nearly time for me to sleep), but it doesn't change what you are.

Why do this, why do that.

Did you miss all my posts checking flavor and mechanics? I don't know shit all about this setup. I know my role and the role of dead players.
We were losing 3 town a day, two to kills, one to lynch. Bam, bam, bam. A one shot cop and a normal cop I could swallow because of how strong the fatalities were. Having two cops is not unheard of especially with my limitations to role
> one shot
> only d3+
which for one requires me to survive and not pick out someone that was town-vigged
which worked out just fine because of Maple being forced to claim, but other than that my role is far from as strong as a hard cop claim and could've easily gone to waste if things didn't work out as they did.

 

But you don;t have a guilty. You have a gun investigation on him. That doesn't confirm him as scum. That confirms him of being a killer. You also say there are more plausible ways of going about it, but it makes sense to me:

We are at 4 v 3 currently. If you didnt account for one kill last phase, let's say you would expect 5 v 3. If you don't shoot shinto and shoot town, that's 4 v 4, and if you fear serial, that means you still need a lynch.

At lylo, serial must shoot scum. So you confirm yourself and maple. Prada too, but I also note that yo made the "if maple is scum, you are scum too" to him, which tells me that you were worried a lynch or kill on maple would blow up, so you set up a mislynch there. Regardless, that's at least 2 scum off the scum block. That's only possible though if SHinto is taken off the board - with him still on, the serial will shoot maple in all liklihood.

So at 5 v 3, just like at 4 v 4, you still only need one lynch. The difference is 2 or 3 scum are taken off the board in the former, whereas all 4 remaining are still on the table in the latter. As it turns out, it was 4 v 3, which is still the same really.

The point being, bussing SHINTO there is a net gain because if you couldnt win wit the numbers anyway, it makes sense to take as many scum off the board at lylo. The serial then can only shoot at the last scum surrounded by a group of town, presumably where the lynch will go into too. Then with your factions kill that's 3 deaths, meaning 3 v 2 (3 v 1 now) and a win.

I refuse to believe that you can;t see this as a possibility here. It;s not that advanced.

 

You haven't, realy, You've grapsed, like why target Rot etc, but it hasn't really stood up. The only real point against Crimson is the timing of his claim.

A fallacy is fallacious, Quick. That's why it can't be used to support an argument.

I've totally lost track of the days.

 

I said this before, but SK don't have guns, so maple can't be a SK because he has a gun.

There were 3 NKs last night. that means there is another killing role besides yours and besides a SK. We also saw that there was a kill midway through the day so that is another killing role. that gives 4 killing roles without even thinking about Mafia. That said, that is why we need a mass claim right now so we can actually solve this shit.

 

And 4 v 4 wins the game for Scum?

 

"SK don't have guns" what?
A killer is a killer.

Assassins usually stab people in the dick from the back, don't use guns either... what is this flavor logic even?
Vigilantes would use swords in theory too.

Makes it sound like your role is only effective on the person Ratchet gives a gun to, which doesn't quite add up.

 

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Serial_Killer

You wut M8? You didn't know that?

Cops also have guns.

 

If we're going on flavour, then they;d have knives, but why would assassins have guns? I feel like in this case gun = killer, rather than a killer of specific alignment(s).

Not if a serial is in the game. If a serial kills scum, scum kill town and town lynch scum, that becomes 2 v 3, meaning they haven't won. The only time drawing parity should result in the game being called is if there isn't still a killer that can thin the numbers, because at that point if only the lynch is left even if they were lynched every day they'd end up 1 v 1 which ends the game (due to town not being able to lynch).

 

It's a Town of Salem thing, I believe. In that game, the investigator is told a hint of their target's role (ex. <Player> uses guns. Therefore they are one of the following: Vigilante, Mafioso, Veteran, etc.), which in that regard, SK uses knives. However, I don't know how strict with flavor this game is going for considering I don't remember things like Coroner and Gunsmith being a thing in that game.

 

Huh, I didn't know that.

Why do you refer to it as having a guilty, then? Because it seems to me like it's anything but.

 

Well that's quite a convenient fake claim then. If SK knows this or searched it they'd know not to worry about you... pretty solid safety net.

Albeit that's reaching if there even is an SK to protect yourself from.

Fair enough. I see it from his post too that SK is listed as knife wielder. Though as Ratchet says in this setup it seems more like a general umbrella term for killers. Or there simply isn't an SK and it was a precaution and nothing more.

 

Because it was the first time I got this role. I talked to CR and he suggested that a cop could have a gun as well and then I remembered I wasn't actually a cop here.

 

There is no way I am teamed with Maple unless you think Mafia kill off one of their own and there are 2 other NKs as well, which would mean that wowee has a killing role and so does Crisp. That would leave us with 4 Killing roles without even touching the group Scum kill. Kinda unreasonable don't you think?

@Crispickle and @wowee, what are your roles?

 

Congrats on slipping for not even mentioning your own role.