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Suggestion Contest voting to scale to participants

Discussion in 'Solved / Implemented' started by Ningen, Jun 24, 2017.

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  1. Kame Heaven's Feel

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    Well I mean, I've seen it on sites, fair enough. Different forums use different methods. But this is a competition, you're submitting your work into a comp, and having one vote feels like you actually have to think about your choice.

    With that in mind, I guess they're right about some of the options having no votes by the end, but I mean, does that really matter in once again, a competition?

    And lastly, I get that some get riled up, but by no means does it mean it's about being elitist. If you want to make an argument, make a decent statement first of, about the why's and all that good stuff, and avoid name calling. That goes both ways if it were to happen.
     
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  2. Glowbeary Tentacle Taco +.+

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    I think it should depend on the competition and number of participants although i personally dont think there needs to be more then one necessarily it is a competition after all +.+
     
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  3. Shanksette Snekh

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    I agree with opening up the number of votes per person. It has all already been said, but if you let people choose their favorite entries, as in, top 1/3 of the total entries, rather than just THE best entry, it doesn't change the fact that the best will be ranked first, since it will be in most voters' top 1/3. However what it changes is that it smoothes out the overall ranking, and as said before, it makes it easier to distinguish how well you've done, if you're really behind all the others and lack basic skills, or if you're with the very-good-but-not-ultimate-best group that are just after the few first ones. It helps pinning what exactly you have to improve, and how much.

    Want it or not, every competition is a feedback. If two of all the entries get all the votes and all the others get 0-2 votes, the feedback is that the first two did a good job and all the rest were equally bad. This feedback is shit but it's still feedback.

    The only argument I see in favor of keeping 1 vote/person is that, if you allow more votes/person, people will vote for all those who are their friends. To me this argument doesn't hold.
    > first, you assume most voters will vote for their friends primarily. This is not necessarily true
    > second, if you consider that most people will vote fairly and a few will for their friends, then their influence shouldn't be too strong on the final result
    > third, if you go by that reasoning, then the fact of voting for friends is also a problem in the 1 vote/person system. A person who would vote their friends in case of multiple votes/person will probably also choose a friend in case of 1 vote/person. And if most people do that, then the winner is just the one who has most friends, whereas if only a few do that, it doesn't influence the final result too much.

    All in all, voting for friends is a problem that is independent from the number of votes per person in my opinion.
     
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  4. Stephanie Smile .. Love .. Happiness

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    I think the current poll voting is fine. If you like doing graphics enough you will want to improve to get more votes and become the best. IF you get turned off on improving caused you get zero votes then maybe this isnt the kind of thing for you. I entered contests a lot and lost a lot with no votes whatsoever and all that did was make me try harder and improve so i could start getting votes and finally win. I kept at it and improved tons and started winning contest.
     
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  5. Gobb

    Gobb finds a way

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    Yeah, it would scale better with higher entries.

    I can see how it could easily be more skewed with one vote for a higher number of entries, but it still comes down to user taste. Everyone can see what can work as a whole. That's where my opinion lays that making a thread and posting your works and asking for feedback is better if you're looking for general skill improvement, but I think contests are a good way to see what people think looks better as a style and their taste.

    They aren't wrong, but in saying that, there's not much to stop the top three from having a lot of votes and some still having none. But it would not be as lopsided, that's for sure.

    You're not wrong in that it would help nurture it.

    Yeah, there's a line. The contest is for fun, and one vote makes it count. But I can see how no votes can be discouraging, but I guess that's up to the user at hand.

    Yeah. Even with three votes, you still might get three votes on the same three, so some still might be without some at all.



    That was the initial thought behind the current vote workings. However, perhaps it is an idea for it to scale to numbers to a degree.
     
  6. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    AOTW will never be a feedback contest.NEVER.

    It's a competition after all.Making it 3 votes it will make it biased 'couse how far I've seen you want to encourage people but that means you aren't voting for quality in the end.And that's what AOTW is...a quality winner.

    With this system you get a true winner and a worthy second and third place.3 Votes would make better avatars suffer couse you want to enocourage beginners lol
     
  7. EvilGenius I like potatoes

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    Explain this i bet you can't.
     
  8. Ningen NIngenest of them all

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    :facepalm
     
  9. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    You literally said you want to encourage beginners but you are supposed to vote for best avatar lol
     
  10. Shanksette Snekh

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    Why would they suffer if they get the same number of votes?

    Or do you mean it would hurt their pride that other people would get more votes in comparison to their score?
     
  11. Gobb

    Gobb finds a way

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    Same and still bad. XD

    I can also see the point behind having more votes per users submitting. Idk, I can see the point behind both systems, and the intent behind the one vote system isn't elitism.
     
  12. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    'Couse with that an avatar which is clearly a beginning avatar will get more votes than a quality work.

    Since you want to encourage people in a competition which is supposed to find the best avatar of the week.

    In the end if it's 3 votes I'D EXPECT you to vote for the best,second best and third best...not a beginning avatar just to make someone encouraged lol that's not even the point of this contest.

    It's anonymous anyways so it's just nonsense.
     
  13. Stephanie Smile .. Love .. Happiness

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    I can see the point but i also think the current system is fine and saying it wont allow people to get better if it stays this way im sorry is a bunch of bullshit imo.

    Also you are good so shush.
     
  14. Shanksette Snekh

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    The point is not to vote for the beginners. The point is to vote for the works that you think are the best third out of the bunch.

    But beginners will get more votes than if you only vote for 1 entry that way, because some people will think their work ranks 3rd for example. That's how you encourage them, not by expressedly voting for the works that show the least experience
     
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  15. Aeryn daydream in blue

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    I feel pretty stuck in the middle to be honest. I don't have any issues with the current voting system, but the one that has been proposed isn't without merit.

    If there was some way to meet halfway, that would be great. I'm not sure how we would achieve that though. Maybe users can vote for the Best Avatar using their poll vote, but in their post - list two other entries that stood out for them?? Then the person who wins the secondary vote system gets an honourable mention. This way we could circumvent the "discouraging" of participants.
     
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