Normal Game Thread Full Metal Panic!: Fighting Boy Meets Girl Mafia

i'll begin by trading back the favor to SK, so we can start with something

vote: SK

convince me you're a pretty townie and not a smelly scumcrap

 

Okay, so viole was right about you.

You are an idiot.

Lynch town, for being honest that he's a miller.

*slow clap

Be my guest.

 

Ok!!! 3 things i want to do ib different posts
1 im explain my ability now
2 im gonna look over night write up
3 im gonna grab that post for evil and change my gender to male

Ok the way it works is if someone tries to kill my target it swaps to me but the kill fails hence the "someone tried to kill globear but it failed"

However with my target if it does or doesnt block the kill there is a 50% chance a penalty will be appiled that doesn't result in death.

My target to save was @poutanko

I would like to know if a penalty was applied

 

So, that means someone tried to kill poutanko last night? Hm.

I'm currently catching up on the thread also.

 

@EvilGenius there's more but these were the ones that were not fully addessed or ignored completely

 

Wait hold up a ticky boo. I mean i was about to change my gender to male for that reason last day phase.
But i find it funny that someone be it maf or not targeted Pou with a killing role.

I mean what im suggesting is pretty laughable so laugh away but like the variations of roles from the classic set up is a little different.

And even it was deliberate with the fact she changed her gender in mind to set up prada or someone.

Of course this could all be sillyness but

 

Until then no females change their genders over I'd suggest, at least for another np.

 

Musings thats truth
@SK what do you have to say to this? Who is on your suspect list currently?

As you'll see later when you return to the threas they didnt. And before someone says "why did ya share how it works you buffoon" unlike what some players have said i want town to win. My ability if i didnt clear it up could have lead to some pressure on other players who acted suss around me previously. And that would have just been annoying if it wasnt what really happened.

Also only one killing role tried to act last night? That means im willing to mark poutanko as town for now.

Im happy to lynch CF this dayphase.

Well evil is acting weird but dont use the failed kill as a reason.

Yes, someone did

And if anyone wants to own up


I promise i wont lynch you

Anyone else can though

Kidding but still yeah, lucky pick I guess 0.0
ALSSSOOOOO can anyone see why i claimed now &.& the "a attempt to kill globear" if it kept popping up repeatedly would have looked odd and theres the penalty too

 

Have to agree with these two quotes.

Also, someone (Don't remember who) posted suggesting voting off inactives. This is a no-brainer, especially on D1. What the hell happened? Why did Crispickle nearly get lynched instead of myself or the other dude? C'mon guys.

Considering you claimed beforehand, I'm inclined to believe you.


P.S. I investigate as Innocent.

 

Viole is never right about anything.

Well that's what you gotta expect as a miller usually. I don't townread you, so I have 0 reason to keep you around.

 

Stuff from Yesterday

Except I'm not just saying claiming hinders Town, I'm also explaining why and how it hurts Town. You repeating "but reasons!" isn't helping your point.

I know what the Guardian term means to me, and am fairly confident that it means roughly the same thing to Ratchet. In either case, you still haven't reconciled your "I was gonna die anyway" comment with your "maybe I'll protect myself" comment.

I've read all the posts, yes. But I must have missed you providing a good reason for claiming. Do me a favor, and instead of just going "but muh reasons!" actually quote what you're talking about.

Do you, though?

Because this post indicates that you either thought claiming would confirm you, or don't understand that you don't need to claim to request Cop investigation. I feel like I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming the former, but hey, maybe I was wrong to make that assumption.

Don't believe I ever stated you were a Doctor. You know who did, at one point? I'll give you a hint.

It was you.

Sure. Ratchet, Dante, and I will all loosely follow the role definitions set in this thread. <redacted, as Shanksette has already handled the definitions>

Eh, 50/50. Fan is an incredibly obscure role. I used it I think once some years ago, and its mostly stayed on my role list because I don't pay much attention to passives. Anyone who knows about and has access to the roles list would be equally likely to find it and go "oh, I could use this," and I think Railu was aware of said roles list, so I dunno if her being Scum would immediately imply someone else came up with the fake claim for her.

There are legacy roles I've since removed from the roles list like Silencer or Post Restrictor, but I removed them from the list because I think the mechanic of preventing someone from posting for the entirety of a Day without killing them and without anyone else being notified that their apparent inactivity is not them being an asshole was an incredibly unfun mechanic. I don't think Ratchet would employ such a mechanic unless the flavor strongly called for something along those lines.

I work with what I'm given. What I was given was a grossly insufficient reason to claim coupled with statements that cannot be reconciled with one another. Making vague "trust me" declarations like this are not helping.

Just want to clarify, you are once again agreeing with a post which categorically refers to your claim as a mistake and a bad thing for Town.

Informative how, exactly? I was absent for the first like 60 hours of the phase, and have only meaningfully interacted with Glob.

"Why did you think lynching one of them would be informative?"

"Because it would be informative!"

Circular reasoning at its finest.

And you've clarified this with Ratchet, yes? That is certainly interesting. You're right to say that, from a balance perspective, it's hard to imagine how it could be balanced around, given both the uncertainty of how many females would sign up and the uncertainty of who here is female, since not everyone displayed gender in profile.

I do agree that the reasoning he provided was suspect. But I can also appreciate that, whomever killed Ningen last night probably didn't do it because they felt threatened by Ningen. It was more likely random or spiteful.

whats with the quotes today wtf[/QUOTE]

My fault. When I was building my post, I cut/paste a quote tag when breaking up a post, rather than copy/paste.

Sure. But until you can explain what it would say and why, you've not really demonstrated informativeness. If your threshold for informativeness (and thus being lynchable) is "doesn't fluff" then you're basically penalizing the people actually playing the game.

For the purposes of this game, I hereby identify as a girl.

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Anyway, back to today...

Aside from the fact that everyone else started by complying,

there are three posts which specifically call attention to your failure to comply.

I mean, I spent a great deal of time last game explaining it. Was there something deeper than "I don't get it"?

Here's the primary explanation again:

Since I've seemingly finally gotten your attention, if you could either participate or raise a valid objection, I'd really appreciate it.

Eh, the guilty has subjected himself to increased scrutiny. Kneejerk lynching him on Day 1 for nitpick isn't really the "correct play" in my book.

I mean, if we're going to play the WIFOM game, I'd simply argue that, because the guilty claim is the obvious target for Scum to push lynches on, they won't push for such a lynch because doing so would be obviously suspicious.

I feel like you're pressing this an awful lot, for something that you're claiming you wouldn't have thought of and that we shouldn't give much consideration.

Or that mafia shot at Glob, though it would have to be someone unfamiliar with Guardian, since its actually not very useful on its own.

I'm compelled to point out that you successfully protecting each Night is fairly unlikely, coupled with the fact that you could literally just claim afterwards to dissolve any unjust suspicion, once again means that your given reason to claim is poorly conceived and not an actual justification.

Moreover, due to the vague way you claimed yesterday, coupled with your specific explanation today preceding asking pou about penalty, you basically ruined any chance of us actually confirming pou as likely Town, because there's a real chance that the mafia shot at you believing you to be some kind of Doctor. So, you know, mission accomplished, I guess? If your mission was to continue to actively sabotage your faction and yourself.

 

wait wat

but the write up clearly said:

did someone else protect you or something? or am I misunderstanding this guardian thing

 

Uh really since this day phase I literally just explained everything because i want to know if a penalty was applied &.& hinders town maybe but there was some justification in what i was saying
Considering i said and have been saying all game about the different variations did you read my post this dp about the penalty. It's not i die if i block the kill which indicates there were changes.
Since this dp i revealed about the penalty and what the kill fajl is which was the partly why i claimed and why i didnt reveal fully &.& &.&
In that post i quoted where i said i wasnt a doctor you refered to me as doctor. And there i was speaking to what people keep saying. If they want to call it a doctor ill go along with that. It is basically a doctor i said there to just with the chance of penalty.

I never said "trust me" at all that's silly. I said that it's up to the people

Of course im going to agree with the fact my move was risky and maybe even silly but i had my reasons and i dont regret it.

That's how the Guardian role works in this case. If i block the kill the kills moves to be but auto fails.
Basically target is changed kill becomes null

Any person i target to protect as a 50% chance of getting a following dp penalty though

 

Quotes are stuffed again 0.0 i think it's because theres one that everyone keeps quoting with a open bracket.

 

Right, but as I specifically already addressed, by explaining first, you nullified anything you claimed you were trying to accomplish.

You stated that you claimed so that you could be confirmed. Either you believed that claiming would confirm you, which it would not, or you believed that you had to claim to be Cop investigated, which you did not. In either case, you did not need to claim, as it would not in any way contribute to you being confirmed.

You stated that you wanted to be confirmed because you were eventually going to die. However, you also stated (and have since stated) that you do not die from using your ability. And just about anything in your role that could prevent you from dying by using your ability would also prevent you from dying from a direct attack as well. So the threat of dying could not really motivate you to want to be confirmed, and therefore could not have motivated you to claim.

You stated that we should treat you like a doctor. Then stated that I was silly for treating you like a Doctor (even though I did not). All while claiming you might self-protect when your claimed role literally could not self-protect.

You stated that you wanted to avoid anyone being wrongfully suspicious of people if a failed kill appeared against you. But the chances that your action would go off were marginal, and more importantly, you didn't need to preemptively claim to avoid this. You literally could have just waited for your action to actually work and for people to wrongfully suspect someone as a result, and could have then simply said "due to my role, I know that the kill was not directed at me" and we would have needed no further information.

You stated that, because of your role, we can safely assume pou is Town. You forgot to account for the fact that, because you at one point basically claimed you were a Doctor, the Mafia might have shot directly at you. This could have been mitigated if you'd asked pou about the penalty before explaining what the penalty meant, because at least it would mean that, were pou Scum, she wouldn't know to play along, but you explained the penalty first, so we can no longer treat pou's answer as genuine, because you literally incentivized her to lie about it if she is Scum.

What, ultimately, did you accomplish? Nothing. All you've done is freely give away your role. You might have baited the Mafia into shooting directly at you and wasting their kill, but that seems to be purely a coincidence and not your intent at all. Other than that, you've failed to get yourself confirmed, tried to bait the Cop into taking a suboptimal action for your personal gain, needlessly revealed an important Town role that the Mafia can now proceed to block or redirect the shit out of if they have any kind of prevention or manipulation roles, and failed to even potentially semi-confirm another player because you forgot to account for stuff before once again needlessly running your mouth.

I'm sorry, did you read my post?

I get that there can be variations. Anything can have variations. But your statements about your role have been conflicting. First, you claim that you don't die. That's fine. Then you claim that you were gonna die. But then- Oh, but then you claim that you won't die again. Alright, but- Oh, now you're claiming that the kill had to be on pou.

I have addressed possible variations. It doesn't change the fact that you didn't need to claim. It also doesn't change the fact that every reason you've given for claiming, regardless of any additional passives you might have, has been utter bunk. It doesn't change the fact that, by needlessly running your mouth, you've denied the Town the one possible benefit of you claiming.

But, again. You could have claimed after something like this had happened, so this scenario does not justify you claiming before it happened, and you also ruined any benefit we might have gotten out of it by fully claiming before asking for confirmation from pou.

The word "Doctor" appears twice in the post to which you're referring outside of quotes.

Please take special note. I do not call you a Doctor. I specifically say you are NOT a Doctor, and refer to you having previously claimed that we should TREAT you like a Doctor. I even quoted the post where you specifically claimed we should treat you like a Doctor in my last post.

Here it is again, since you clearly didn't read my last post.

Your whole justification yesterday for claiming was so that you could become confirmed. You presumably felt that claiming was at least part of the step to getting confirmed. When I asked further question, you basically said "you just don't have all the information, so trust me that it makes sense."

Acknowledging that your move was poor play while simultaneously insisting both that it was justified and that you don't regret it is kind of inconsistent.

Allow me to clarify. Does your action cause the kill to subsequently fail, or does a separate passive you have cause kills against you to fail?