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I'm going to drop this at this point because it seems like the Mod isn't too keen on the idea.

 

That's... kinda... my point.

 

No, your point is that I am apparently trying to teach you here. That would imply that I tell you that your method overall is wrong. All I did was tell you to look at others thing around him. I didn't say your method is wrong. I never intended to say that. I said, if he is scum here you should dig more into his logic. Case in point is one player and not you and your overall playstyle.

 

I believe Prada's point, @Quick, is less to do with critiquing your method and more to do with knowing where I as a player am likely to slip.

 

I clearly don't get the people here. Apparently they like to articulate themselves after instead of before an argument. Oh, well, I'll try and get used to it.

 

What I can sum up for reading this comment

-Yur mind is not coherent at all.
-Yur reasoning(toward me) also is not coherent at all.

You just said "he came from nowhere and completely threw the wagon into disarray"

So you're using that reason to say that I've made a scummy move and putting me in the scum shoes. M8 listen, we are not in any agreement here on voting for SK. I do my on move to voted him not bcus of yur Comments/Points toward SK but its all was my own move. So you wanted to blame me bcus I breaking the wagon and what makes my move entitle me to be suspect as a scum? What is so different between 'my move' and yur move to abstain from voting in the last minute just from wanting for one player die in the first DP?

At least my move was to make sure that no one die so townie can stay with more people in NP and the next DP and so on.

Your feeling telling you that SK could be scum bcus of his action toward STINK where he told you back the reason he did that to pressure him to speak out so if STING respond and reason with him, SK can change his mind. Thats why he asked Lord Maple for time extension so he can have more time with STINK and there was a 'fact' from Prada saying "STINK never 'act' in the first DP".Taking that into consideration SK never played with you, Prada, Rice(Basil), and STINK in your 'community'', Thus he never knew how STINK playstyle looks like. Actully all the reasoning people put in here to vote for someone were very flimsy or too loosely. Like 'abstain=Scum play', pressuring, follow the intuition etc.

So here townie and scum wanted a vote and wanted someone to die and now you looking for a blame and me being the first target. Where is your Mafia game logic here? What !!!you think you can catch Mafia/Scum that easily in the first DP? Tell me how many times you play this game where you were having more than 50 percentage points that you are rightly lynching a scum/mafia? One convo between Prada and Basil(Rice) I found in this game "You played like this and I Iynch you in the first DP, just found you're townie afterb you die".

The point is, from you and Prada playing logic and playing experience, mislynch is 'natural' and one player needs to die in the first DP what ever the reason excuses is intolerable. So you made a decision to unvote. But what if both 'targets' were proven as Townie? What will be yur excuses then?

And now your target is me bcus the so called 'poor presentation'. Poor presentation means Scummy, scum play all thing negative but I dont think my 'presentation' or how I presenting my self here warrant me the title of Scum that easy. In my previous game Panda for example presented himself as inconsistent player by voting player randomly without any concrete reasoning. Not just in the first DP. But all townie still had a low suspicion on him. But if in the first DP alone people already have strong scum target lock, something is not right. Plus my self presentation here was more like someone who are learning something. Its clear shown from the arguments about Abstaining. I felt weird how abstain from voting=scum playstyle bcus scum can casting a vote and also not casting a vote, personal preference. And I took the 'new knowledge' I gained for my future reference and usage. And I made my first move by voting SK from intuition as the reason. And then I just follow all the conversations SK made between you, Prada, Globear and anyone involved. From there I believe SK speaks true that he is in Town side. So no botching attempt here, no mafia's planning between me and SK behind the certain bcus we never know each other. I will gives my best to look for mafia and kill them.


So dont always think that you always right, having the right thinking. And follow my every actions in this DP and after that(If I'm still alive after NP) on how I investigate potential scums and catch them.

 

What isn't coherent about "it is scummy to tie the vote without any prior indication minutes before the Day Phase ends"?

 

@Ansatsuken
I just did a quick skim. SK played with Ratchet, Rise-chan, Rice and me already. Stink is a special case because only I played with him and yes he doesn't do shit dp1. As a matter of fact I'll link the game in question.

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/8925-iaafr-s-narcissistic-schizoid-millennial-17er

 

And the difference is, by the way, your vote tied the lynch. My removing of my vote broke said tie. Ties are bad.

 

Stink didn't do shit dp1 by default and flipped VT. It's not something you can judge him on.

 

You forced the worst situation for town. Forcing a potential scum lynch into a tie and then into a policy lynch. Yes, the Nick lynch is a policy one in my eyes.

You almost took us a chance to lynch scum. Maybe you actually did. You played anti town there and actually lynched a townie there.

My feeling told me SK is scum for a myriad of other reasons. For example that SK actively dodged questions and insulted me as person. It wasn't until the end of day where he became more rational.

Yes, I think if you are scum I can catch you that easily. Know why? Because I did the same shit way back then when I started. I tied votes as scum to save my teammate, but got my own ass lynched next dp.

Do I need an excuse? I listed my reasons for why I find SK scummy. A mislynch doesn't mean you are scum. You have to look at the reasons why players voted for said person.

Why is Sk town? Explain your read now. Might as well be you knowing SK to be town by being a mafia yourself. (which is also kinda funny since this game features third party lol)
Now let's look at SK's wagon. Cindarella is dead. She was on of the persons to suspect him, but not the most vocal.

I'll believe my thoughts to be right since they are the only ones who I know come from town. If I believe them to be wrong, I'll think over them myself and not sheep you.

 

I firmly believe that SK is town from all the read up. The reason, I dont want to make a mistake lynching a townie after they has 'reason' enough why they are townie beside what they did previously. Example, Ouki and Globear in my last game. SK straight play like Ouki. If SK is scum he better vote Globear/Shock but he voted unreasonably for STINK. Scum dont need a reason to kill bcus their duty is killing although asking for a killing in DP is night impossible without concrete reasoning. Even if SK stayed with his vote at STINK, STINK wont die bcus there was next to no reason for players to follow SK's move and wagon on STINK. Same as you to Shock, Rice to Prada. I've made SK leads the vote tally before Panda back off. But I also saw Nick have a potential to get wagon votes. I changed my mind after reading SK posts.

 

This is my take on it (disclaimer: I didn't know that if the votes are tied at EOD that there is no lynch)

Ans is arguing that it Mafia is strictly a numbers game and that the more Town that get lynched, the better chance that Scum have to win. This paints an incomplete picture of the game, however because every lynch provides information that Town can use to help solve the game.

Prada's perspective seems to fit more with the latter, but I disagree with hir as well because Mafia is somewhat a numbers game. The more Town that get lynched the closer Scum's chance to win, but doesn't mean Scum necessarily have a better chance to win.

On to my point: Ans argues on the one hand that he voted to tie the votes on purpose for the reason I assume is to keep a lynch from happening. But upon closer inspection, we see Ans real reason was not to keep a lynch from happening, but was done in following his intuition. The problem I have with this is it doesn't fit Ans previous narrative in how strong he was to keep a lynch from happening seen earlier in the thread.

For this inconsistent narrative, I'm keeping my vote on Ans for the time being.

 

You have made it clear earlier that you would tie votes. Now it's because you townread SK. What exactly did you townread about SK? What made you, anstsuken, think "wow SK is super town here let me tie the votes now shortly before the day ends to throw town into chaos"

Vote: Ansatsuken
@Lord Maple