Normal Game Thread Big Trouble in Little Salem

? Is this an actual answer to that or are you joking and we should expect one SoonTM?

 

So, what I'm getting at, unless I'm misunderstanding the wording, is that you expected a low-lying mafia as your result because you believe that Rot tends to piss off mafia based on your experience from playing with him.

Hum. Given Quick's and Rot's interactions, Rot seems like an obvious target for Quick, indeed. And from that, you conclude that Quick or some other assassin investigated me for my role, and Quick came and PMed me to claim. This makes some degree of sense. He said that he had a guilty before PMing me, so if I lied about my role or don't respond at all to him, he could go with what he meant by that and off me via getting town to lynch me and then say, "wup, I meant he had a gun, not my problem he didn't claim vig." However, since I did claim directly, you could say that he took advantage of that to get town cred. This is a pretty elaborate scheme as scum. Do you think that there is a particular reason for this from his position? He could have just taken the typical scum route of laying low and maintain his persona.

The only thing I have on you is that this claim is awfully convenient for the situation at hand, but that's like, eh. I could say the same for a lot of claims in that case.

Then I have one more question. Who do you think Quick's allies are? Last I checked only one assassin died, so if you include Quick, there should be 2 more.

 

Nick's the only mislynch you yourself didn't take part in.
And you voted for shinto, the safest vote possible for you to seem productive.

Scum could've been lynched, but we were sadly wrong on Nick who bailed out on the thread and never defended himself. That was shit but it unfortunately happened. That doesn't change what could have happened.

Because if he's town you don't get town credit worth shit and suddenly your team is a lot more vulnerable. Safe bet > Risk if you gain the power to mitigate the damage to your own faction by getting a strong fake claimed town credit.

 

Ratchet doesn't scrutinize CF's claim, only mine. That would be the point of that post.

 

Yup that's basically correct.

Why use that strategy compared to anything else? I've no idea. The end game is winning and if a strategy in your mind is nearly foolproof why not go for it?

Either he gets strong town cred or he mislynches the town vig, for me that sounds like a win/win scenario.


As far as allies go, Crispickle is a high possibility and would make a lot of sense of the no kill on d1
then if there's one more scum/sk I'd lean Prada...

Of course wowee or Ratchet is a possibility but since no one's particularly coming to Quick's defense Pickle might be the last scum by some weird miracle. And I find it hard to believe that either of them is mafia in all fairness.


Or worst case you're his last teammate but your posts this phase have been pro-town... so that seems unlikely at this point. And is more tinfoil theory than anything concrete.

 

And this matters, why? Town are on Mislynches all the time so this point is moot.

Great, so you've established that not only was I not on the mislynch, but I was voting Scum as well.

And why do I have reason to stay on Shinto and not change my vote onto Nick?

So you are arguing that its better for me as Scum to get Town cred than save one of my Teammates? What an asinine idea.

 

Yeah, I didn't say I didn't understand what you were implying. But to the rest of town, the situation is unclear, and hearing everyone's arguments is the easiest way to evaluate the situation. You're not giving us a chance to do that, and instead you ignore all his points just because "he has a defined opinion, so he's 100% scum and that opinion doesn't matter". How is that the town thing to do in this situation

 

Because if I know they are Scum its unproductive of me to argue with them.

 

And please answer why I am the one to execute the NK as well, thanks.

 

You can't know for sure that they are scum just because they doubt you... You're not really making it easy on yourself, to be fair.
I literally explained how it would be productive in the post you quoted doe. Well, productive from a town perspective of things

 

Do you not realize the current state of affairs? Town is at death's door. You who talked about how we have nothing to worry about since there's more power roles to compliment all of the kill's, yet here we are... one bad step and we're in deep shit. You sacrifice a team you unlock ALL the power, the fact that you don't even want to account for that power yet simply refute it as asinine is amazing to me.

Sacrifices are made all the damn time, you've played this game a good amount, no?

You can't just say it's a stupid idea because it's something you're suspected of doing. That stinks hardcore.

When this started you and Maple were already vouched by Prada as guaranteed town and he wanted you to team up to try and save the LyLo situation
so you surely can comprehend how much power that is for a mafia to have?


You're really going to stand here and tell me that, sacrificing a teammate who would've died either way to gain that power is asinine?

 

Anecdotal and false. Where have I said Town has nothing to worry about? Quotes or it didn't happen. It should be apparent that it is the opposite considering that the last thing I wanted Prada to do was talk about what were the chances of a RB for Scum.

Yeah, sacrifices that give a net gain, not killing your teammates when you could actually be killing Town.

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Uh, no nothing like that ever happened??? Where did I vouch that Prada was lock Town? No I said Prada was a Town read and there is a difference.

Considering I could have told LM to take the shot at Prada and Nick was the one who was lynched, yeah, I'd say so.

 

Here you comment how there's more PRs and how likely town win is. Fair you didn't comment "nothing to worry about" but that's how this post can be taken, reassuring as hell from the "cop".

What was that about not shooting Prada?
...
Oh because you changed it last minute to SHIN?
Town cred get, so tasty.

So from closest thing to town to throwing shade on Maple AND Prada
while you're completely clean.

What was that about questioning why I picked Rot?

What was that about worthwhile sacrifices...?

Your reads flip more than a 50lb girl on a mechanical bull.

You think having complete control over town lynches isn't net gain...?

He vouched for you two.

Why would you risk it though? The lynch could've changed last moment just like the Viole lynch off Prada
You make one mistake and you lose.
and if Prada is the SK you just shot yourself in the foot because town numbers untouched, and your teammate dead.

Just because things didn't happen like that and you have that knowledge now you can't deny how things could've gone, and the reasoning required AT THAT TIME to make decisions.

 

Huh, don't ignore me? @Quick
And you're not considering the possibility potential of Prada being your other potential teammate there. In fact, bit of a spitball here, but with him mentioning the traitor thing at day end it could make sense if that was you(?) mm

CF's claim timing seems convenient and it looks as if he's too desperate to paint him scum, but it's hard to see how the way Quick is responding to the accusations can come from a town POV.

Does this mean it ends at 24hours at the time of this post plus 10? or plus 10 at the end-of-day of day2?

 

Which we've already established could have occurred through a scum role. I don't know why you keep falling back on the same "proof" that has already been demonstrated to not actually prove anything.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is scum"

WIFOM

Ah, I see we're playing revisionist history. I specifically asked Falcon why he chose now to claim. That would be scrutinising. I've also freely admitted (to Prada, if not in thread) that the timing is really convenient.

At the same time, scrutinizing does not mean grasping at straws to pick at it. Your attempt to paint Rot as a poor target for his ability was a poor one, and part of analysing claims is seeing whether the targets check out. Falcon's does make sense, yours on the other are significantly harder to reconcile. Not only do we have to swallow the fact that you lied to Town, and moreover, used that lie not as a means of baiting a kill, but of pushing your "read" through more forcibly by "clearing" a player you couldn't possibly have cleared. We've received no real reason for this from, just a WIFOMy "I wouldn't do this if I was scum" counter. Not only that, but your reasoning for Maple was "he is likely to live for a long time", when you would have been much better served actually aiming for a prominent suspect so as to clear them or confirm them for the town. Moreover, your reasoning for Maple goes against targeting Crimson too, because Crimson wasn't at all likely to last long in the game. If you were going to fake claim an investigation, then why not be consistent with your reasoning for targeting?

Ah, the old stick fingers in the ear tactic. Wonderful. The problem is, ignoring the points is tantamount to conceding them, and even if you don;t agree there, we've established that you don't actually have any knowledge indicating that I'm scum, and your only justification for it is based off of a mischaracterisation. It's not good.

@wowee I'm debating sending you a gun. My role allows me to send one gun (it's one shot) which you will receive at the end of the day. Who would you shoot and why?