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Discussion Who would you Buff/Nerf and how?

Discussion in 'Overwatch' started by god Eji, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    Well he is there to get kills since his heals aren't amazing anyways.I usually on a good day get 40ish% offensive assists I rarely get deffensive assists since I usually have Mercy "near" me.
     
  2. Mirage Rєвιятн & Hσρє

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    Contrary to popular opinions, I'd easily nerf Genji and Tracer. Those characters are way too good and there's a reason why they're always used in every pro tournament ever in almost every meta there was to be.

    Genji needs his deflect changed already. That shit is the size of an Orisa barrier and he currently has way too much leeway with it. A lot of people who try to out-play him still get fucked over by the deflect. For example, shooting to the left of Genji's deflect to hit someone else and still triggering the deflect because the hitbox is huge. I also don't understand why Genji actually gets to choose where he hits you with the deflect. If I shoot Genji in the leg while he's deflecting, why does he get to send that shot back to my head? Makes no sense, mechanically at least. This is how it should work:

    Whichever body part you shoot the deflecting Genji at, he sends right back to you at that specific body part. If you screw up and shoot Genji in the head while he's deflecting, then you will get shot in the head. If you shoot Genji in the stomach, then you will get shot in the stomach.

    Now for Tracer, she's just straight up the strongest character in the game. She's so balanced in the sense that she's OP, if anyone can understand that. She has no hard counters and just like with Genji, she's been in almost every meta, if not, every meta. She's so flexible and can adapt to pretty much any situation (team comp). It's really hard to say which aspect specifically of Tracer should get nerfed because I feel like the character just needs more counters. Her current "hardest" counter is McCree, and even that match-up is a 50/50 at best. This is why you see Tracers running around doing whatever they want because no one can really stop her.

    Also, remove both of Genji's and Tracer's faster walking speeds. It's so unnecessary.

    Unfortunately, these characters will most likely never get nerfed because they're fan favorites and the people who play them always use the same excuse as to why they shouldn't get nerfed. "They take skill". As if any other character in the roster doesn't also take a shit ton amount of skill.
     
  3. god Eji Calamity

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    if I were to nerf Tracer it wold be increasing the blink cooldown, give her 25 more health. the base speed annoys me because they're the only two thatt have it.
     
  4. JoeJoe

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    I don't think Tracer and Genji needs a nerf s/he is good as s/he is,s/he's very hard to play.

    I'd rather see someone getting buffed to counter them,especially Tracer.
     
  5. Mirage Rєвιятн & Hσρє

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    @Ejibear

    What did I say? Same excuse over and over. :okhand

    Genji's not even hard to play man. He's such an easy character to climb ranks with because's top tier.
     
  6. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    But it is hard to play Genji,it would be even harder if you nerf him,Tracer too.ž

    Genji kills what he is supposed to kill and loses against heros where he is supposed to lose.

    Tracer has 150 HP you can in 90% one shot her with HS.
     
  7. Mirage Rєвιятн & Hσρє

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    Genji takes skill, but that's just like 95% of the cast. He doesn't get "he takes skill" excuse.

    Though other characters getting buffed to indirectly nerf Genji/Tracer would be good too. I'd rather that honestly.
     
  8. JoeJoe

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    Yeah Genji takes skill to work there's a reason he is 3 stars difficulty,what would you nerf about him? There's nothing to nerf he is as good as he is imo.

    Winston counters Genji to the pulp even Moira now goes through his reflect...Mei as well counters Genji.
     
  9. god Eji Calamity

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    i think they are very skill reliant, however they don't fall into that either your good or your trash bracket as much as other character because they have very forgiving kits. they have insane mobility and each of them have an oops I fucked up button that isn't rivaled by anyone except Roadhog. I think the only nerf Genji needs is the deflect hitbox, it shouldn't be so large but other than that he is in a good place. Tracer I have a problem with because why i do not think she's Overpowered, I think her base movement speed over other characters is unnecessary because it makes her strafing/dodging so much better than everyone else's for no reason.
     
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  10. Mirage Rєвιятн & Hσρє

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    Bro, please read my initial post and please read what I just said again.

    "Genji takes skill, but that's just like 95% of the cast. He doesn't get "he takes skill" excuse."

    Genji isn't the only one with counters. Every character has them except for Tracer for the most part. Difference between Genji and the rest of the cast is that he's top tier and can shit on every other DPS hero besides Tracer. See where I'm getting at? Tracer and Genji are by far the best characters in the game. The skill needed to play those characters doesn't justify them being able to go around doing whatever they want.

    Tracer's issue is the lack of counters and Genji's issue is just how mechanically better of a character he is.

    You think of things in such a primitive way. You can't think like that. Then again it's probably hard for you since you don't know what a high level game is like. No one uses Mei past diamond, Winston never kills Genji unless for some reason the Genji is stupid enough to 1v1 the Winston, and Moira isn't even out yet.
     
  11. JoeJoe

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    Yeah indeed you need skill with any hero,but playing Genji is harder than playing Soldier 76...hence the 3 star difficulty.

    @bold what is that suppose to mean lmfao

    If you know how to deal with Genji then there's no problem,why would you nerf someone who is perfectly fine as it is.Nerfing him anymore would make him unplayable and that's defo what you don't want....
     
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    So what's your point? Widow is a 2 star, Hanzo is a 3 star, Symmetra is a 2 star, Doomfist is a 3 star, Lucio is a 2 star. None of those are accurate. No one takes that shit seriously.

    If you're a good OW player and understand the game mechanically, then you'll be good at both S76 and Genji. Yeah, Genji takes more skill, but it's just a bit above negligible. You just have to press more buttons when playing Genji in comparison to S76.

    It means what you read. It means you've never been in a high level game. I don't know if you know or not, but Overwatch becomes a totally different game when you reach the higher ranks. In my games, Genjis don't 1v1 Winstons and just die to them because he "counters" Genji. There's so much more to take into account than just thinking oh "this character > that character because he/she counters him/her".

    Except Genji's not perfeclty fine as is, and you haven't even stated one reason why he is. He at least needs a deflect nerf. The extra movement speed is also redundant.
     
  13. JoeJoe

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    You act like I've never seen how pros play,just 'cause you are higher rank that doesn't mean everyone who is lower rank has no right to give his opinion lmfao

    If you have seen Koreans play yesterday you would have seen how "easy" is to counter Genji if you know how to play...Genji is fine as he is,he has a hard hitscan and his deflect is fine,even Jeff said if they reduce the hitscan on deflect it would be borderline useless.
     
  14. Mirage Rєвιятн & Hσρє

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    Don't even understand some of the things you said so I'm just going to address the points I understand.

    Never said you can't give your opinion. Doesn't mean your opinion can't be faulty due to primitive thinking though.

    Lol get out of here. Genji isn't "easy" to counter, he might be in low level games, but he isn't easily counterable at all in high level games. Why do you think Koreans win all the time? They have the best Genji and Tracer players.[​IMG]

    WhoRU, Haksal, Sayaplayer, Esca, Effect just to name a few.

    So don't come at me with the "My opinion should be correct since I watch pro players". [​IMG]

    You just don't want Genji to get nerfed because you're like 99% of the OW fanbase who adores Genji and can't stand the possibility of him getting nerfed. That's what you're just coming across as right now. At least I gave good reasons why he needs a nerf. You on the other hand...

    Also, Jeff never said shit about Genji's deflect is balanced.
     
  15. JoeJoe

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    Korea won 'cause they were playing more like a team,compared to Canada...it was obvious who was giving more heart into it...Bloody Korean Ana slept Genji on ulti like it was nothing lel that doesn't mean Genji needs a nerf...

    Overwatch is not only about higher ranks lmfao that makes no sense...I'm not even Genji main and I don't even play him like at all...why would I possibly care of him getting nerfed? I just feel currently as he is makes no sense to nerf him.What is your reason to nerf him? deflect? good mobility? yeah how about we strip him from deflect and lower his speed that will definitelly make him fair right? He is a flanker same as Tracer is...they are here to be annoying,what's the point in nerfing them then...
     

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