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ISIS Suicide Bombing Stopped at Brussels Central Train Station

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Kamiyama, Jun 20, 2017.

  1. Kamiyama モニカ

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    My nigga.
    Listen to the man, for it can save your skin. This is what Yuri Bezmenov warned us about.
     
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  2. Schpittfeuer helpless chicken

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    Pol correct lefties, SJWs and ffs the celebrities..
     
  3. Kamiyama モニカ

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    It doesn't really make a difference, it's the same (((people))) who want us divided and are responsible for existence of what you have mentioned.
     
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    Goetia Godly Member

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    This isn't about the left vs the right, this is about dealing with criminals who want to disrupt the lives of others. I also don't see how the left "allows", or is somehow worse than, terrorism, as you suggest.
     
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    All this "Carry on as before", "we need to unite, no borders no races" bullshit while absolutely and utterly ZERO progress is done to stop terrorists from entering, getting radicalized and eventually strike really does ring a bell. In other words, if you see a kid torturing a cat and instead of kicking the hell out of his ass you throw in another cat- you will be worse scum than the kid. And that's the role of politicians and celebs in the issue.

    They plead for no discrimination, no boundaries, no borders, while what EU needs atm is literally the other way around. We need to segregate scum from citizens, we need strict immigrants control, we need freaking borders. They influence their followers (talking about celebs) and actively work on parting the society. They go on with "just be strong and carry on" BS.

    How exactly do families that lost someone in terrorist attack carry on as before? How do parents that seen their child being splashed under truck in Nice carry on as before? How do a freaking city that lives in fear and panic carry on as before?

    It is easy for them to say such thing when their lifestyle is exactly opposite from what they spread- "no boundaries?" Then give up the million dollars ENCLOSED AND GUARDED mansion you live in. Go there and experience pain of citizen affected by terrorists yourself. Get your child/ husband/ wife killed in terrorist attack and then "just carry on as before" spreading your lies and bullshit.
    Normal citizen cannot afford such privileged lifestyle politicians and celebs live in. Then either they should get real and get in touch with reality or shut the f up. They know shit about what they say, they want attention and do what is trendy and gives them "follows" in social media, being delusional and utterly out of touch from reality at the same time.


    I heard very nice saying some time ago.
    "Force all politicians to fight in the first row in every war they started, let them experience the same thing they cause, force them to "die for country". Watch as there is no more wars ever."

    Now "Take away celebs guards and protected mansions, force them to live among citizens in cities that now are dangerous due to refugee invasion, let them experience dangers of terrorism and unprovoked assault. Watch as they either STFU or change their political views entirely".

    @Ishi Insivel they are dangerous, they affect the society with their distorted views. Look the freaking Shia LaBeouf or whatever it is spelled, he created literally group of zombie followers, being aggressive dick, using the situation to get attention. Same for JK Rowling woman, what the hell gives her right to comment on pol situation when he is literally on the other side of the moon, zero touch with reality..

    Celebrities should just stfu and keep doing what they are supposed to, not get involved in political pleading and masses control... It is dangerous.
     
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    Goetia Godly Member

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    Mate, there's only so much countries can do to prevent terrorists from getting in. Not every terrorist, or potential terrorist, is gonna come up with shady backgrounds or credentials at the airport. Trump's ploy to stop immigration was blocked and shorted for very good reason: because it was ******* dumb. What happens after that 3 month ban? A huge influx of who the **** knows how many people. And then nobody gets background checked, because there's simply too many people trying to fly in. Here in Australia, we turn back refugee boats and send them off to asylums and detention centers where they rot. Who's on those boats typically? I'll tell you: desperate people trying to find a decent place to live. We've turned them back because those people are generally of middle-eastern descent or otherwise come from wartorn countries. Now, you may think, why turn them back if they're escaping those kinds of conditions? Well, some of those people have turned out to be criminals and terrorists. Very few of them, but still. So what did we do? We began turning them to refugee detention centers en masse. Regardless of whether or not they turned out to be criminal. Before we checked them, we turned them back. They all rot in those degenerate detention centers without ever leaving. Does this solve the issue of terrorism? Not really. In fact, terrorism has only gone up in occurrence over the years, by people who are legitimate citizens without any kind of criminal background. So what does that say about your plan to stop terrorists from entering? Almost worthless. ISIS has grown as an organisation massively, but when you think about it just for a few seconds, you'd realise that if the world united against them, they'd be obliterated. It's hilarious. This need to unite isn't as stupid as you think it is. The role of politicians and celebrities is advocating for unity in the face of terrorism, which no matter what political viewpoint you align with, you would agree with. At least, if you wanted an actual solution to the problem.

    Can you show me hard, solid proof, that ties immigrants to terrorism without shadow of a doubt? Anyone can be a terrorist, that's the real danger. And what you're saying is, we need to basically backtrack thousands of years in how people treat each other in order to solve a problem that doesn't require it? The terrorist's goal is literally get the world to hate them, its what fuels them. That's how they radicalise people, they earn their sympathy. What people need to understand that these people follow a radical ideology, and that's what we need to focus on. It's the same thing with Christianity, the damn thing condones slavery and incest, but it is not advocated by any Christians in modern society. It is outdated, and now most, if not all, Christians that I'm aware of only practice certain teachings. We don't stone people anymore for blaspheming, because its just bullshit. It is radicalism and terror we need to target, not Muslims.

    What other choice is there than to carry on? They're not asking people to forget about it, they're asking people to do what is necessary (grieve and mourn), and be strong.

    I'm not sure if you heard about the attack in Manchester bud, but Ariana Grande was at risk there. Every man, woman and child who walks out in public, famous or not, is at risk. No matter who you are.

    I don't know why you treat these celebrities and politicians as if they're above us. They're not. They're people. Just like you and me. If you think that their job is just to get attention from people, I'd say you're even more delusional than what you accuse them of being.

    That saying is dumb as **** lmao.

    ...you want more people to die. Because that solves it, right?

    What gives you the right to try and silence them? Sounds a little totalitarian. And that's almost worse than terrorism in my book. Almost.
     
  7. Schpittfeuer helpless chicken

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    Huh
    >they rot in degenerate centers
    >not roam around ready to strike
    >not able to hurt anyone
    ...
    For me issue of terrorism in that particular place is kinda... Solved O_O

    Which will never happen because there is too complicated net of alliances and interests and business in the clusterfuck middle east is. There is no multi nation alliance against ISIS to destroy them once and for all. Because one side makes a move, instantly the other (USA, China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, and so fck on) goes against it because it spoils their business. And that is hilarious.

    Are you even serious? If the fact that ISIS officially states that among refugee invasion they send their fighters, or preachers to radicalize people, doesn't fire your neurons then I don't know what will. And I don't need better proof ,that taking refugees in is a way to self destruction ,which there are MANY.
    Crime rate skyrocketing beyond all norms (Swedistan or France), refugees openly stating that they don't want to cooperate, no-go zones, female abuse, terrorist attacks every month
    1200 people dead over a month (by radical Islam) which did not happen before.
    Guess how many terror attacks there is in Poland, or hell, Slavic Countries in general. Guess how many refugees did those countries take in compared to progressive and open minded (lol) west.

    Yeah, where are the damn proofs.. Just where...
    I don't even..
    Seriously that's childish and denial way of going. "Give me solid proof, hand it to me, show me before my eyes".. For fucks sake, just be up to date with news (and not just what they say in TV)...

    Nope. They use already negative and aggressive attitude towards European culture.

    Muslims do. Saudi Arabia for you. Quatar for you. Freaking UAE for you. And other 12 or 13 countries.. Muslim countries.
    Along with hand cutting, throwing off the buildings, women law abuse, honor killings, death penalty for blasphemy and apostasy and homosexuality, and other "but that's part of their culture" stuff.
    Lets get enriched :D
    What, those are Muslim, Islamic countries, right?

    *Radical Islam that breeds terrorism you mean.

    You see, the "radical ideology" isn't something you suddenly get. Isn't something that you are born with either. The radical ideology they follow is built on base of anger and disdain for certain something. Guess what ideology it is built on. Guess which ideology is and always was incompatible with European, Western culture. Last but not least, guess which culture has never ever changed from its fundamental beliefs and will of spreading by force since its very start.


    I don't know, maybe PREVENT? So that people wouldn't have to cry over dead, minced bodies? Maybe CHANGE the people in charge who allow that to happen with open border-no check policy?

    Very well. Yes, be strong, let your second child get mowed down by another truck, spread your legs for rape culture, show your neck so its easier to be cut. Live among people who cause death. Paint "you won't win" on walls, while they are winning on every field possible. Because thair aim is not to "be hated". That's not the ******* goal, that is obvious feedback for what they do. They don't give a flying **** or even less, that little Jim hates them while old Jennifer doesn't. They are currently winning, terrorism is on the rise, no action is taken against, society is divided and so on.

    Meanwhile politicians sit in Ivory tower and sentence people to suffering, and those who finance terrorism laugh their asses off looking at Europe.

    So naive.. So so naive..
    And what makes you think you are equal to a person who has his ass protected 24/7? To a person that lives in luxury and vanity in Ivory tower? Are you protected 24/7 by personal army? Am I?

    To a politician who can decide to kill thousands people in wars while being safe himself and never having to experience war attrocities?
    I live near to the border. If neighboring country decided to attack us, what would I lose and what would politician lose? I'd lose my home, my family, my friends and if I'd be lucky- life instead of getting tortured. Politician? He'd just see "3000 dead in yesterdays attack" on a screen and if things get hot he can always GTFO to allied country, something that I and my family could never afford that easily.

    If a politician decided to kill you, they'd never find your corpse and he'd be clean. That's the power of money, of bribery, of friends in high places... Just think about it.

    It's as true as it can ever be. If politicians had to fight, they'd do anything to prevent fight to not get involved. Simple.

    Yes I am a mass murderer and a psycho.
    Seriously, read it again and try to not just be literal.

    Yep I am now worse than terrorism. You are like mass media who label people as "Islamophobic" and "Racist", forgetting what is really important. It's not important that ******* normal average citizen expresses his dislike for refugees. Its not normal that media cover terror attacks that "now poor Muslims will suffer from racism" as it was more terrible than attack itself. Its not normal that police is eager to strike those who spread supposed "hate speech" (read: Saying that refugees are dangerous) on twitters and Facebook's more than the actual wrongdoing refugees and terrorists themselves.

    And that's supposed to be okay? You are supposed to "deal with it" and "learn to live with terrorism" because its now "a part and parcel of living in big town"?
    That's some bullshit, sir.



    Lemme ask you. Why Saudi Arabia and other Mid east muslim countries won't accept refugees? Think of it. Think harder than "but they surely want to go to Europe that's all duh".

    Why retards are allowed to fly ISIS flag (London, Sweden), but people have to remove Christian cross and national symbols to "not trigger violent reaction"?

    Why refugees can get away with anything in Sweden? Why cab they rape 9 year old and get away? Why can they rape wheelchaired woman and get away with "because she didn't fight back enough"?

    Yep, terrorists are winning this, and that's a steamrolling victory until something changes.
     
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    We still have terrorism attacks. We're still at risk. It saddens me to know that you're someone who makes that silly generalisation that all refugees are extremist terrorists. Nothing is solved at all. All we're doing is killing them slowly by not giving them a chance at living.

    That's everyone's fault. No one country or person is to blame for the lack of cooperation. If they weren't so blind and hellbent on serving their own interests, ISIS would have been destroyed long ago. Not to mention the fact that small attacks are what ISIS is limited to. They couldn't possibly act in such a way that would be a global threat. It's just not feasible.

    Mate, the media is inherently biased everywhere. Telling me to be up to date, but not to believe anything said, is ridiculous. Give me statistics and information that directly links refugees to terrorism. Of the perpetrators of all these terrorists attacks, how many were refugees? How many of them are Muslims? You're so willing to point fingers and blame others, that you blind yourself to the possibility that maybe its not the case? Maybe, just maybe, it is the fault of insane, evil people who are brainwashing and indoctrinating vulnerable individuals. I'm friends with a practicing Muslim, and he doesn't practice the outdated principles of killing non-believers, and treating women like garbage. They may be written into the Qu'ran, but they're outdated. We live in an evolved world, where things like that are not acceptable, because it goes against what we consider to be good. What this tells me is that you'd rather make millions, maybe even billions of people, the scapegoat of a problem when we need only target a much smaller number than that. We need to attack the people who are responsible for causing this, but not at the expense of people who are just trying to live their life like sensible human beings.

    But where does that negative attitude come from? It comes from one person saying (paraphrasing here) "Hey, there's these particular set of principles that you should follow so that you become a true Muslim, all of these other people are non-believers, that need to be punished for their sin of blasphemy. They hate us and our religion, and we need to show them that they're wrong." There have been white people here, not Muslims, that have been indoctrinated by ISIS.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Australian-Jihadi-blown-suicide-attack.html

    This guy was born here, he didn't come from overseas from the Middle East, or any war-torn country where Muslims are prevalent. He was born and raised here, so your argument that "refugees are the problem" is out the window now. No human being would join ISIS without some kind of incentive, whether it be that they were coaxed into it, or they think that their objective and methods are morally sound. There are reasons that government officials and politicians say "watch out for radicalism and indoctrination", because that is a very real danger.

    This comes back to my previous argument that these are outdated, extreme principles that are not practiced in many developed countries. And if they are, they shouldn't be. Those countries have no socioeconomic stability, so how do they have any chance of protecting their citizens from falling victim to radicalism and indoctrination? The key aspects that links all of those places are as follows:

    1. ISIS controls them or otherwise is a breeding ground for those kinds of radical people
    2. Their socioeconomic stability is basically non-existent

    Once ISIS gets a hold of these countries, they start injecting their influence into their government and systems. Look no further than, literally, Syria:

    https://unitedwithisrael.org/isis-keeps-670000-children-out-of-school/

    They're purposefully teaching children to possess these radical beliefs, and taking away their ability to think and question. They're removing things like science and mathematics from the curriculum, and those two subjects are the foundation of virtually everything in the universe. When these people don't know any better, and are only doing what they're told, you can't possibly blame them. There are child soldiers that are being rushed to the battlefield by these cancerous, radical terrorists, but they're part of the problem right? Because they practice a radical form of religion against their will.

    In bold, you are totally right. But on your next point, if Islam isn't compatible with European culture, why is it the 2nd most practiced/popular religion in the world? You see, it is compatible, if you are secular, or a non-radical practitioner of the religion. I keep saying this, but it is indeed radicalism that is the problem. It's not refugees as a whole, or Muslims as a whole. Making that rash and blind generalisation is silly, and quite frankly, dangerous.

    You're really hung up on refugees being the problem, aren't you? As I said, its not as simple as you think it is to just close off borders. What happens after that? The problem doesn't just solve itself once you close off the borders, nor should you be so narrow-minded as to think it will.

    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa673a/meta

    Its a lot of reading, so I'll save you the time and tell you what it means if you don't want to read it: ISIS holds so little territory compared to the rest of the world, and its dwindling. They're upping the frequency of their attacks because their very relevance is waning. Their popularity is decreasing. People are learning to stand against them. Nobody said this was going to be easy, and I don't think anybody believes it would be, these things take time.

    Right, because the airstrikes and coordinated assaults by soldiers are just doing it of their own volition. They haven't been sent by governments or military agencies controlled by governments to go and fight against ISIS or anything.

    We are protected by the police and by military of the country. If needs be, there is martial law. Without the police, or the military, you'd probably already be dead. And so would I. Those men and women are officers employed to maintain stability and peace. Their mere presence does a lot, and without it, there would be absolute chaos. You live in a developed country where you have these things to protect you. And who employs these people? Politicians and government employees. Stop taking it for granted.

    If politicians had to fight, there'd be nothing but fighting. The statement is so narrow-minded and ignorant that I pity whoever thought themselves intellectual for making such a thing. If anything is naive in this conversation, that statement is.

    What does a person's socioeconomic status have anything to do with it? If they care about others, let alone themselves, they would also fight. You can't expect people to just go and fight wars, because then that just leaves more bodies. The best that lots of people can do, including celebrities, is offer their support to others and condemn terrorism.

    People that spread hate are part of the problem. You can't be worse than a problem that you're a part of.









    What I'm saying is that we can't fall into the trap of condemning the whole Muslim community. That is how society fuels the fire. Terrorism needs to die, it is a cancer upon the planet that we left behind long ago. Or at least, we should have. I'm not saying that we should accept terrorism as a part of living, but the fact of the matter is, we have to. Its out there, right now. And we can't deny it. So we need to make sure that we don't fall for their tricks and ploys, because they win if we do. Of course we should make a solution, that's what we're working towards as a society right now. But if this solution comes at the expense of innocent people, then that solution isn't a solution at all. When terrorism dies, then we can rest.

    In no place I've seen has anyone needed to remove Christian motifs and symbols, you're just making things up. If it really were the case, churches and other religious buildings would be torn down. Here in Australia, there have been convenience stores selling ISIS flags. They've now been tracked down and dealt with. I'm not sure about the situation with other countries, but here, it's Islam that is under fire here. And there have been practicing Muslims that have spoken on news programs saying that ISIS does not represent them, or Islam as a whole. It is radicalisation, and terrorism, and nothing more.

    http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/

    If there are cases of crime being covered up, that's wrong. That is a problem. But to immediately put the blame on refugees simply because there happened to be a policy change and subsequent immigration spike recently is still not a good course of action. If there is any kind of functional justice system, offenders will be prosecuted.
     
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    Never said that. Period.

    As you are not even making effort to understand what I am talking about, but rather than that spread made up BS, for now, returning the favor, I am giving up the effort of responding to the rest of your opinion.

    Where do you live again?
     
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    You stated that because we send refugees to detention centers, terrorism is solved. If that wasn't implication of your opinion that all refugees are terrorists, then I'm not sure what to think of anything else you're saying.

    I'm replying to everything, so I'm understanding it on a fairly reasonable level. What is this "spread, made up bullshit" are you talking about?

    Australia.
     
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    @Ishi Insivel


    I am not a fan of JKM and not his great supporter, but when you need to drop truth bombs he's th best.

    Doesn't care about what is currently politically incorrect and under censure, he just straight out says what needs to be said.
     
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