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Discussion in 'Chatroom Corner' started by Gobb, Nov 23, 2023.

  1. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    But who can mention Sun Gon and Joyboy connection? There's no character who could have hinted it, Joyboy is also as vague as it gets because no one knows who he was and what he is.

    Same as Sun God. It took 800 chapters for Zounisha to make that connection because she is the first who had direct contact with Joyboy.

    As I said MAYBE Sun God Nika wasn't meant at first to be Luffy, M A Y B E, but all fingers hinted towards him, same for Joyboy. You don't need a brain to make that connection.

    We might assume if it was foreshadowed or not, but manga panels heavily imply stuff that it's Luffy.

    Sure Oda can change the story as it goes but infos so crucial have a domino effect for everything else.

    That Gum Gum-Nika Nika fruit single handedly explained a bit of void century, Joyboy and made a "whole new" story for Shanks and how he obtained it, ties heavily into Elders now and their plot point that they searched for it for ages and builds heavily into slaves.

    And I don't get why would Oda make such a crucial change to the fruit if it wasn't planned because that fruit now COULD be IF it already isn't an important PIECE in Void Centruy plot.

    We are talking about 1 apparent change which connects Joyboy, Void Century, Shanks, Elders and slaves.

    That too me is a very crucial point to be made on the go because if it was changed mid story, that would mean, elders, void century, Joyboy, Shanks and slaves had a whole different plot.

    Doffy's detail isn't even on the same scale of what of a domino effect Sun God now is.

    I'd say Luffy - Joyboy had same connections as Luffy - Sun God later in the story. It was then when Luffy awakened it, we or me at least went OHHHHH, because then you remember Skypiea, Who-Who, and the slaves plot.

    Massive finger point to Luffy.

    I feel like Sun God info is such a crucial info because it has important place in many of current plotpoints.

    Void Century, Slaves and Joyboy.

    Calling it an asspull is just nonsense IMO. Especially after reading 1100 and you actually seeing info about it.

    Fairs if you don’t agree, but calling it an asspull after seeing all infos is just not fair.

    If Oda did it on the go while writting the story without any planning of these connection, we are talking about a million IQ writting skill, because how else do you tie 1 thing for like 4-5 different plotploints and make it make sense.
     
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  2. Gobb finds a way

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    Well you can't really say he connection always existed if it never did until it was introduced like 900 chapters later, and the reasoning of "well no one would've mentioned it anyway". If anything gives more credence to the idea that it wasn't a thought out that point, otherwise there would've been mentions of it. Just like there was so many different pieces of evidence of the world sinking/flooding. There is undesirable proof of this scattered through the manga which is what true real foreshadowing looks like, but I'm tired of the term being misused for every single thing and the connection is always a bunch of straw grasping and/or headcanon.

    The implication of the Joyboy/Luffy connection is there through the manga, just like the flooding details. The sun god being linked is actually completely irrelevant to it. For example, if the sun god didn't exist in the form of the fruit with the name of the god, that would make absolutely no difference to the Luffy-Joyboy connection, there are a dozen other routes for it to be made. For example, reincarnation, inherited will (this is a massive theme specifically just look at the "Will of D"), etc.

    The Sun God Fruit existing makes zero difference in the connection to it all. Roger waiting for someone and Shanks realising Luffy is that person, and the person of the void century/Gorosei conflict was always heavily implied/reaffirmed to be Joyboy. Take out the fruit and nothing changes with Luffy and the Joyboy connection. Literally the fruit was chosen as the thing to connect it all at one point, but if it wasn't the fruit it could've been any other number of things.

    Just because the fruit was the chosen connection and not something else would quite literally have no impact on the plot. If Joyboy = Luffy = Nika you drop any one of the three and it's still the same.

    You could literally just replace the Sun God with Joyboy and it makes zero changes to all of the current Sun God related plot points.

    I will retain the view the fruit change power is an asspull. Joyboy/Luffy was always connected and was heavily implied to be the case. The Sun God schtick was just the chosen method to connect them, but there was no prior evidence of them being related from my view. You're free to think otherwise. Last reply on it, no need to say anything further.
     
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  3. truth is Kishi told him to do it don't @me
     
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  4. Gobb finds a way

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    It was the GOAT.
     
  5. Kubo trolled us all
     
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    xD

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  7. JoeJoe

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    I maintan my view of Sun God heavily being linked to Luffy, same as Joyboy because we've been introduced to all plotpoints with Luffy as the front runner.

    Well we agree to disagree. Mainly due not much info about the fruit, which will definitelly be explained later and tied into the story.
     
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  8. JoeJoe

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    LMAOOOO xD
     
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    Classic xD
     
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  10. Gobb finds a way

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    nighto
     
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  11. who makes this shit yo
     
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  12. JoeJoe

    JoeJoe from the east blue

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    Good nite bro
    The YOU'RE ODA TOO SENT ME LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
     
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  13. upsurge Revolutionary Pessimism

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    Magnificent XD

    Goodnight, underground bee keeper :aizen
     
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    Reminds me of Itachibase days
     
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    BWOAH digga, this absolute nostalgia hit me in the face.

    German anime back in the day was just God tier. I miss those days so much.

    90's danceish genre is just a pure bliss. What an opening this, it's just too good.

    Early 2000's on German TV was just pure cinema, banger after banger after banger after banger, the absolute golden era of anime.
     

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